Hello. It's absolutely thrilled to have Sarah Templeton here. She's been at prior conferences. She's an absolute stalwart of the ADHD community. She's doing extraordinary work at ADHD Liberty, which is the number one ADHD charity in The UK working in the criminal justice system. And this like, know, there's working in this there's the next level, which is pioneering work in, which is which is her. And it's she is breaking our holiday to speak to us and for which we're as ever eternally grateful. And welcome, Sarah.

Thank you very much. Hello from Sunny Tenerife. I.

Mean, the big question is, like, which is always a pretty big answer, what have you been up to?

Like, what's been happening in What the last have you been up to? Okay. I'll I'll I'll sort of I'll bullet point it, and then we can go into more detail of what you'd like to know. We're now arranging a assessments direct into prisons. We're doing that a lot. We're doing it for parents. We're doing it for probation. Actually, they've even paid us to do assessments. We're doing it for partners and all sorts of people. And some of the clients actually in prison themselves are paying for their own ADHD and very often ASD assessments as well because they're so fed up waiting for the prisons, who are basically misdiagnosing.

Them or worse not diagnosing them. I don't know what's worse actually, miss or not, But they're either getting diagnosed with personality disorders or nothing. So we now have several psychiatrists. They're all ex prison service and they are now doing, assessments direct into prisons. That's a large amount of my job now what I do is arrange these assessments. A lot of them are before court. So these people inside know they've got these conditions, but they can't get them diagnosed and they need them diagnosed before they go to court. So we're doing a lot of that. The other thing we're doing tons of is work with the police.

Full credit to the police here in The UK and also Australia. I'll talk to you that as well. But we're now working with, I think it's about 36 police forces who are all going to start screening for ADHD in their police stations. And ideally, catching people the first time rather than the thirtieth time they go into a police station. So we're working with people like Greater Manchester Police, West Midlands Police, Police Scotland, really, really big forces. And they're all going to start screening. So we're we're screening in different ways. Some people are screening through their LMD, liaison and diversion teams. Some are screening children. Police Scotland are screening everybody.

Police Scotland have got the highest suicide rates in the in Europe, and they think that is largely down to undiagnosed ADHD. So that's why they're starting to screen everybody in Police Scotland. So we're working with the police setting up pilots. We're also setting up pilots with homeless organizations. I will tell you the two, the big issue and crisis, which thrills me because I used to work for both of them or volunteer for both of them. I've always years and years I worked with crisis doing, oh, I was hairdressing services manager first, then I was entertainment services manager. Did all sorts of things for crisis at Christmas. So crisis are going to do a homeless pilot for us, which is amazing. And also the big issue.

The big issue is where I started my helping career nearly thirty years ago. So the homeless, world is starting to do pilots and the addiction world. When I say pilots, I'm talking ADHD screening pilots because in the criminal justice system, the addiction world and the homeless world, there's a huge crossover. Most of the people in there have experienced one, two or three of those sort of areas. I e most prisoners come out on a homeless. A lot of prisoners come out and have got addiction issues. So we're doing pilots in all these different areas to try and prove to the government one thing. And that one thing is that ADHD screening needs to be mandatory in all these services, particularly in the criminal justice system because.

People are going back to prison time after time after time after time because they've got undiagnosed ADHD and they are costing the government a fortune. Whereas the people that we are getting screened through the charity and diagnosed and medicated, they never offend again. There's a surprise. They're all out, they're working, they're earning money and they're doing brilliantly. So that's primarily what I've been up to. I'm also just writing my fourth book, which is going to be about my experience in the prisons and how much ADHD was in the prisons, which is off the scale. And the one thing I will say before I shut up, is that the one in four figure really needs to be put in the dustbin now. The one in four figure is utterly irrelevant.

It is not one in four people in prison who have, ADHD. It is more like eighty five percent. All our pilots, trials, screening, everything is coming out either at eighty five percent or slightly over. I missed out probation in there by the way. Sorry. We're working with several probations and they are starting to screen as well. And they are all well, the the ADHD probation officers themselves are not surprised that it's coming out so high because they they recognize it in all their their clients. But the people who are not ADHD probation officers, when they're screening, they're saying.

We can't believe this. It's nearly all of them. And we're like, yeah, we've been telling you this for years, but nobody's been listening. But now, thankfully, people are listening. So probation is another, people that we're passionate about working with. So if there's any probation officers listening to this, please get in touch with us. We can set you up screening. Doesn't cost a penny. And it's not only gonna stop the offender offending again.

It's gonna make the probation officer's job easy because they're not then constantly worrying, oh god, is he gonna get recalled? Is he gonna go and punch a police officer again? No. Because once they're diagnosed and medicated, the vast majority don't commit crime ever again. We're trying to make probation officers lives easier by offering them screening. And the ones we're working with are all wonderful, but they are all very shocked because the probation screening pilots are coming out at well over eighty five percent. As I have said since I left the prison system in 2016, it's pretty much all of them, and it is pretty much all of them. So that's what I'm doing, Henry.

And as I said, it's gonna it's always a lot and writing the book as well, number four. Yeah. Yeah. Look. The you know, we talk about ADHD, we see people falling out of education, falling into crime. We have a massive problem about the lack of the lack of monitoring. So the fact that we don't know we don't in schools, we don't know how many ADHD kids there are. We don't know their outcomes. We don't know that they're falling out. We don't, you know, have the numbers saying that this higher proportion is being excluded, but we we know it from our own.

Well, first, that is that list of things that we're doing. We go into schools a lot and train teachers. So this is I'm very passionate about training teachers, and we do it all over the place. In The UK, abroad, I went to Scotland Aberdeen last year training teachers. So training teachers is something we're very, very passionate about because we too are massively keen on stopping this school to prison pipeline. Because the school to prison pipeline is trucker block with neurodiversity, primarily ADHD, but there are other things in there as well. There's definitely autism in there as well and other things.

But yes, teachers is is an area that we're massively passionate about. We go into a lot of schools. And I'll tell you the very interesting thing about that is I have had several teachers who've come up to me at the end of the two and a half hours it is usually training. One of them said these actual words. She said, Sarah, I've been a Senko for twenty years and I've had Senko training for twenty years and everything that you've just told me in there in that two and a half hours, she said, I didn't know any of that. And I said, dear gosh, what if they've been teaching you in Senko training for twenty years that you didn't know any of what I just told you? And she said, all they teach us about is hyperactivity and distraction.

And lack of focus and how to manage it. And that's all they teach. They don't teach anything about emotional dysregulation, the higher self harm rates, the higher suicide rates. They don't teach any of the important stuff to these senko teachers. So when we go and train senko teachers, they love it because they find out really what ADHD is. And they all all of them, I mean, we've had them in tears, some of them. We've had them actually in tears who said, I now can see years ago all the kids that I've missed. You know, that I've told off for daydreaming, told off for doodling, told off of I one child I know of used to have his legs tied to the chair because he was so hyperactive. This is back in the seventies, eighties.

But he used to have his legs tied with rope to the chair to keep him sitting down in school, know. And some of these teacher, well all of them, know, the ones that we train. Once we've shown them exactly what ADHD is and how to manage it and how to speak to an ADHD person, and it's not difficult. Once you understand how an ADHD brain works and we teach them how to interact with it to get the best out of an ADHD child, they're all like, it's not rocket science, is it? It's not it's not hard, but nobody's told us this stuff. So, yes, teaching teachers is a big passion of ours and we're doing a lot of it.

It's obviously critically important. Like and there's a horrifying story about the tying the chair, and it it reminds me of the councilors who were on camera debating the the costs of that council for special education provision and complaining that they didn't have these problems previously. Perhaps it was something in the water that little I think it was little really need like, it just needs to be told off. And so Yeah. Just needs to be properly and brought up properly. Yeah. And the reasons that but but that that clear reason, the reason that weren't these problems was because you were tying people to chairs. Like, you weren't going understanding.

Their true issue and you were infecting them. Sending them out of a classroom or in in my junior school, everybody that I now know was ADHD when I look back to the 11 and 12 year olds, they were all carted off to the special needs school, you know, because of their behavior. Had anybody understood that that behavior was in from what I can tell, all of them were ADHD, the ones I remember being carted off. You know, one of them was a girl and she told the deputy head to f off once, in library. That was her gone after the special school, you know. And I I to be honest, I always say to people, I don't blame people for being ignorant.

Genuinely ignorant about ADHD because at the time when that girl was carted off to the special school, I sat there thinking, oh, I would never tell the deputy head to f off because I've been brought up properly. She obviously hasn't, you know? And yet there was I sitting there with my moderate to severe ADHD.

But just because I could manage mine and she couldn't manage hers, she gets casted off and I didn't. But I I was as judgemental as the rest. I used to think, oh, these kids for heaven's sake, don't they never behave? You know, my my mother, I always say I was more frightened of my mother than I was of any school. So I behaved at school because I knew if I a message got sent home, I'd misbehaved at school. I would be in for it when I got home. So that's why I behaved. But yes, the the the ignorance and I use the word in the proper sense of the, you know, sense of it. The ignorance has been shocking over the years and tragically, I always say this to people. I failed my 12 plus, 1975 because of undiagnosed dyscalculia.

Because of undiagnosed ADHD. Now wouldn't it be great to say, but everything's changed now, you know, we're recognizing ADHD, we're recognizing dyscalculia, we're recogn- No. We're not. Nothing's changed since 1975. Nothing. So teachers aren't being trained to spot ADHD. I I was always told, you're really good at English, you're just not trying your maths. Just try harder, concentrate, focus, you know. It wasn't. It was because I had dyscalculia.

But nobody had worked that out. And that's why I failed the 12 plus as well because people with dyscalculia like me, when somebody asked them how many grapes and bananas and and strawberries has Rory got because Rosie's got three, eight and ten of each, my brain goes, I don't go shit. I don't care. Not interested in Rosie and her apples. I don't care. So that's dyscalculia. I didn't realize until I was in my fifties. That was why I failed my 12 plus. Now are kids being picked up for dyscalculia in schools now?

No. Not a chance. Out of interest, what was your opinion on, Rishi Sunak's plan that everyone take a level maths? I think that's absolutely fine unless you've got dyscalculia.

So if if you are if you are going to lay down laws like that, fine. As long as you're screening kids for all these conditions and you've worked out which ones can easily do that. I mean, I got a's in my English o levels and u in my maths. There's a surprise. I mean, one of one of the indicators of ADHD is wildly differing grades. A for English, I'm graded for maths, and nobody thought to look and think, hello. What what's wrong there? You know? But as I say, this was 1975. It's no different now. This is what drives us insane. It's no different.

Yeah. You were talking about the Senkos earlier. I did a spot on LBC, and this in that case, was quite common, you know, the sort of presenter who doesn't believe and always know I've won when they go, oh, this this is something I need to learn a lot more about.

I've got it myself usually. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, not for that one. But then the calls I was stayed on for the hour, and the calls were the first three calls were all SENCOs, all of whom who had learned they'd had ADHD not through their SENCO training, but through when their own child received a diagnosis.

Then for the first time they really learned what it was, And then they went, well, that's me. I'm like, know, that same that said to me, I've just learnt in two and a half hours what I haven't learnt in the last twenty years training. She also said to me, she said, by the way, I've got dyslexia in two of my girls. Now I say everybody with dyslexia has got ADHD. I have yet to meet somebody with dyslexia who doesn't. So I always say this in my presentations, you know, bring me that person with dyslexia who doesn't have ADHD. There's a prize waiting. I can't can't talk to that.

I can't I don't have the stats, but I do know that there was a recent study, I believe, from a university in Scotland showing the the some genetic ties between dyslexia and ADHD.

Massive. And there's also massive connection. There's a massive connection between ADHD and the Celts, and I include the Irish and the Scots in that. Massive. So but that lady, what she said to me at the end of the chat, she said not only have I realized, you know, two and a half hours later I now know what I should what I can go back to my school and actually interact with the ADHD kids because I now know about it and I didn't before. She also said, I've got dyslexia, serve my two daughters. Thank you very much. I've just realized we've all got ADHD as well. Know? So she was a Senko who knew she had dyslexia.

But didn't know she had ADHD. And she's been a Senko for twenty years working with these kids, and she didn't even know she got ADHD herself. I mean, what hope is there? It's it's it's raising awareness. Yes. We all have to do it, and we have to keep doing it big time because there's so much genuine ignorance around.

And this is obviously, this is ADHD awareness month. That's why we're doing this. And I have to, like, you do sort of look at awareness month together. You know, do this every other month also.

This is day, Henry. I do every single day. Yeah. I've spent my life doing it, and I'm passionate about doing it. I've done it here in Tenerife, you know. The receptionist, I said, he said, what are you here for us? I'm here to write my fourth book. He said, on what ADHD? Went, oh, I think I've got that. I said, do you? Five minutes later, yes, we know he's got that, You know? It's everywhere. Even coming in the this is fascinating. On the taxi We are we are we are a big group of people. Right? Like, The UK, it's 2,600,000.

Yeah?

Lovely taxi man tells me that his daughter is diagnosed ADHD. I said, okay. I said, where did that come from? Then you are a mom. He said, it's not me. I said, well, let me tell you some of the traits. Reeled off a load of the traits. It's his wife screaming. He said she spends all my money. She's a shopaholic. The house is full of rubbish that we don't need. I said, it's your wife. Then he started to talk about his grandson his sensory issues. He won't hardly eat anything. Won't do this. Won't do that. I said, it's your grandson as well. See, even him with a diagnosed daughter who I think is about 30 now, he did not realize that it's hereditary. He didn't even think to look at him or his wife or his grandson.

You know. So there was two that I diagnosed, not diagnosed, but recognized flagged up in the taxi on the way to the airport yesterday, and the receptionist as soon as I get here. But these people, they know they've got all these things going on in their heads and and stuff, but they don't know what it is.

Now, look, you're obviously doing some good identification of ADHD in perception taxiing. But like the stuff you're doing in prisons is a big deal. The the screening is a big deal. Yeah. And and that's why you're looking to identify Yeah. ADHD in people coming into the criminal justice system. They've been brought in by the police and doing the screening. And you've got the bottleneck of assessments.

And so you are who pay you said you're doing assessments in prisons. Who's paying Well, for as I say, lots of different people pay. So very often it's the partner. If it's if it's an adult man, you know, we've got one lady who's paid for her partner to be diagnosed. Lots of parents, mostly it's parents paying because they know that sorry?

So this is a private assessment being done in They.

Actually pay the psychiatrist or psychologist or whoever to diagnose. We, as in the charity, we don't charge for arranging this. So it takes a lot I I spend all day every day doing it, put it that way, but we don't charge for that bit. The only bit that gets charged for is the actual assessment. So largely, it's parents who are paying. It's also partners. It's grandfathers. We've got a grandfather at the moment paying for one for his grandson. And also on occasion, very rarely, but it has happened, probation. Because if probation have realized that somebody's got ADHD and that is why they keep re offending.

They will actually put their hand in their pocket and pay for an assessment. So we've had probation pay as well. Now people have some pretty challenging.

They're opting for medication with shared care to their GP, like that must be a whole another level in the prison service. How does that work?

Where do I where do we start with that? So that is a challenge there. Meds yes. It's a challenge. It's a but it's not ungettable over. Meds in prison, any meds have 10 times the value they would on the street. Yeah? So you can cheer to that you might be able to flog for £3 a pill. I don't know how much people flog them for after, I've no idea. But let's say you flog it for £3. In prison, that'll be £30. So they have very, very high value in prison. Yeah. Now.

We But the core is okay if people can get that medication.

From the prison The problem is let me give a brilliant example though, Henry. I had two of my boys who went into the same prison. Now they I I won't mention the prison, should be discreet, but it's a prison in England. One of them went in on his medication, so he had his medication in his pack, know, his his little suitcase thing with him. The other one didn't, but they were both diagnosed by the same psychiatrist, both paid for by our charity. The one that was on meds was allowed to be kept on meds. The one that wasn't on meds, he's still in there, he's still in this prison, they will not medicate him despite him showing them his diagnosis letter and despite the psychiatrist.

Ringing up the prison and saying to them, I diagnosed him, he's severely ADHD, please put him on medication. They won't. That's the problem with what's going on in the prisons. It's very, very inconsistent. I will say there are some I hear there are some prisons that are very, very good that are assessing. They are diagnosing. They're not getting it wrong and saying they've all got personality disorders, which is a big problem. But some of them are getting it right. They're actually dying diagnosing them with ADHD and they are medicating. That is rare. The vast majority.

Are either not being assessed and diagnosed. We've got numerous boys asking for assessments in prisons and prisons are now just saying, we don't do it. We can't diagnose, you know. We just we can't do it. We haven't got the staff. We haven't got the expertise, which is why we happen to do it on the outside. And then a lot of them who was it said to me this week? Somebody said to me this week, I think it was a probation officer or a neurodiversity manager in a prison. One of the two. One of them said to me, you do know in this prison as soon as they arrive, we take them off their ADHD meds. And I said, well, no. I don't because every prison operates independently. They don't all work the same. This is what people get very wrong.

So some prisons, know, you you it'll turn up like my one boy did and they will keep him on his meds and he did for the whole three months he was in there. The other boy who's been in for the best part of a year, can't get them to put him on meds despite the psychiatrist ringing and saying, I diagnosed them both. You've got one on meds and one not. Put them both on and they won't. And what does that make you feel like? Like, you're doing pioneering work in screening to help identify people who've been missed in their school system or earlier.

To get them that intervention that can be life changing, and you're hearing that in the prison service is just saying no.

How do you feel? Henry. I'll tell you how it makes me feel. It might it this is how it makes me feel. Two weeks ago, was at an inquest in Nottingham for one of my young offenders from Aylesbury when I worked there ten years ago, and they would not put him on his medication. Two prisons, not just one, but the I put safeguarding risk letters into one prison and then safeguarding risk letters into the second prison. I've done five in total for safeguarding risk letters. And each one in the on the top in bright red letters, had safeguarding risk due to not being on the right ADHD medication. And two weeks, three weeks ago, I was at his inquest, Henry, because he hung himself.

And he about three years before that, he set fire to himself because his emotional dysregulation was so bad. We had begged, we had pleaded, we had sent letters to the governors, to mental health, to psychologists, to psychiatrists, to the head of safer custody. Now some people might not know what safer custody is. In a prison, safer custody are the people who are supposed to keep people in custody safe, I e alive. So we kept sending letters to safer custody saying he's a safeguarding risk. He's a safeguarding risk. Well, on March the sixth last year, he hung himself because he was so disregulated. And if you ask me how it makes me feel, it makes me feel two things in equal fifty fifty. One extremely angry.

And the other half of me is extremely sad because we are letting boys and girls, five percent of the prison population is girls. They're nearly all ADHD as well. But we are letting these people down and we are risking their lives by not medicating them in prison. Something I will just say, of the two boys I just talked about, the one that was kept on his meds in prison, this was his sixteenth visit to prison, age 29.

And it was the only time he was put on enhanced. Now that will only mean something to people who've worked in prisons. When you go into prison, you're on standard. If you're naughty, you get put down to basic. You lose your television, you lose visits, you lose canteen, you lose things. But if you're good, you get raised up and you get put onto enhanced. That means you get more visits, more time out of your cell, more minutes on your phone for phoning people. Means all sorts of little nice things. Well, the boy that was in there for the sixteenth time and we'd got him diagnosed by our charity on the outside, so he was on his medication, he phoned me up one day and he went, Sarah, I'm on enhanced.

I've never been on enhanced ever. Now that was because every other time he wasn't diagnosed and medicated, so he was kicking off, punching people, thumping walls, you know, ripping sinks off the wall, all these things they do just to pass the time because they're so bored. And he was staggered, this boy, that he was on enhanced for the first time. And I said that is because of the meds. It's the med. He he didn't understand it. He was like, why am I on enhanced? I said it's because of the meds. Because you're not kicking off love, are you? You're not ripping things up. You're not punching people. You're not telling people to f off. You're not getting into fights.

So this is the other thing that prison don't realize. If you diagnose and medicate somebody, their behavior improves. That makes prison officers safer. They are less likely to get stabbed or punched or kicked or whatever because once we're on the meds and once these boys are on the meds, all the fight goes out of them. They they they're not bothered about fighting anymore. They're chill. They're happy and they don't wanna get into trouble. You know, they can they can they can stop the impulsivity and the heightened sense of justice calms down. So by not medicating, diagnosing and medicating people for ADHD in prison.

One of the things we're doing is putting officers more at risk, you know, of an an unmedicated ADHD person. We're also costing the government in this country and Australia, I'll come on to Australia in a minute, tens of millions of pounds. If we would just diagnose these people, get the right diagnosis, get them medicated, get them out, that boy who'd been in prison 16 times before the age of 29, he's now been out for four years. He's on his meds, he's working, he's got a relationship, he's got children and he says, will never go back to prison again. And I believe him because he's now diagnosed and medicated.

So this is the message we've got to get through to the government that you're wasting so much money and you're putting officers and other offenders in prison at risk by not diagnosing and medicating those that have got ADHD. Simple as that.

You can hear like in your answers like you're trying to work out which and what are the levers to pull because you're seeing people devastating. Obviously, they're taking people you've known taking their own life and Yeah. And so I can hear you looking for everything you can say like look at affecting prison officers, affecting the prisoners, what what?

It's it's also affecting the public, Henry. It's affecting the public. You know? It it affects the public because if we don't diagnose and medicate people, they are gonna be back out there getting drunk. This particular one, his problem, he was self medicating his ADHD with alcohol. So when he was drunk, you know, he got accused of fighting, afraid, punching people, blah blah blah. Now he doesn't touch alcohol because he doesn't need to, because he's on the meds and he doesn't need that self medication anymore. And he's the the public are safer, so it's the public that benefit as well. Everybody benefits by diagnosing and medicating offenders. Everybody benefits.

I think there's an important important point of the impact of ADHD. And in the prison service, you're gonna be seeing those people who have had very, very significant impacts on their ADHD. That that code Yeah. And one of the things I do think about ADHD is that it is a it is a poverty making condition. Like it can push you into poverty and keep you there, keep you and because of the genetic aspects, can keep you, your entire family there. Hundred percent. Yeah. And here we have you know, reached the modern age where we have awareness of ADHD. We have tools that can make a make a difference. And yet we have, you know, in Sheffield where they have over 6,000 people on the waitlist.

And last year they only saw three people. So they have an effective wait my mind when I read an effective wait time of two thousand plus years. And it's just, you know, here where I sit, you can't even join the ADHD list. They've closed it. Like and you're having to intervene where, you know, we talk about massive failures in schools, in prisons, and the commonality they have is that those are government run institutions who are just abjectly failing the community of people with ADHD. They're failing other communities also, but, like, they are failing us enormously. And they have the complete control.

And we took we say, like, go know, an assessment can be life changing, and who again controls the assessments? And it's them. Yeah. Absolutely.

I'll tell you something that completely feeds into what you've just said. Nearly every boy I've worked with in prisons I've got nothing against girls. It should have only worked in four male prisons. All of them come from what was very obviously undiagnosed ADHD parents. And now most of the boys in prisons have either come from the care system. They've been removed from chaotic living houses. A lot of the boys in prison are very short because they've not been fed properly as children. One of them two brothers I worked with, one was five foot seven and one was five foot four.

And they were given injections in prison to strengthen their bones because their bones were so weak. Now the reason for that, because I counseled the older one, was that the mother was an alcoholic and was dead by the time the one I was working with was 24, and the father had died before that. He was an alcoholic and a drug addict. Now obviously both ADHD undiagnosed. The entire all the children from that family are all ADHD, so I can only assume that the parents are both ADHD as well. And then where did the two brothers end up? They end up in prison because their parents have gone. A lot of people in prison, they don't have mums. That is the very, that's the the commonality thing. Some of them have got dads.

But that doesn't seem to matter. And a lot of them have got dads that have have left years ago. They either don't know who their dad is or their dad's gone. But the mom, once the mom dies and it's always from addiction, it's always from alcohol it's nearly always alcohol. And these boys lose their parent round about 15, 16. That's a standard sort of age. And then after that, they don't think anybody cares about them. They don't think their life's worth living. So they just everything goes to pot. And then they end up in prison seventeen eighteen, and then it's sadly the revolving door until they are diagnosed and medicated. Now we are catching some of these in between.

I'm having to force me way into some families who still don't believe in ADHD and I'm like, excuse me, when you've been to prison 15 times, I think there might be ADHD there. So I force myself in. I meet these people in the most random places. A lot of people won't come to my therapy room, they will meet me in the pub. So I meet people in pubs, and I have sessions in pubs trying to say, look, this is potentially where your offending behavior is coming from. Have a chat with me and we'll, you know, we'll work it out. So, yes, the you're you're saying, it is the big institutions that are failing people. The good news is though, we're doing a lot of training in the care system, adopt adoption services, fostering services.

These sorts of people, they are starting to realize that they have a much higher ratio of ADHD than standardly. And that is, of course, because these children have been removed usually from either chaotic living, neglect, alcoholic, drug addict.

Yeah. And it's often it's a and it's ADHD and. Right? Like, so it's that that paradigm of additional challenges and as well. Like, that can can be now look. We are overrunning on time. And you are in Tel Aviv. You're going to Australia. We've got a video Yes. That you've made to show people. So we're gonna show that now, then we'll talk briefly about what what you're what you're doing. And and then we'll have to say goodbye, and we've managed to go Absolutely. Over time. But because, like, obviously, what you're talking about is extraordinary.

Yeah. Well, can I just mention Hello? Okay. Have the news for our friends down under. More than any other country in the whole world, ever since I started writing books, this was the first one. Is one that people got the hump about the title. Well, only certain people. Boring people. Most people laughed and thought it was hysterical, including kids. So this one was the first book I wrote. Then I had loads of parents saying, please write one for teachers. So I did. This was the second book I wrote for teachers. And that one is selling all over the world a little more gently because, obviously, teachers.

Don't they don't have the time, and a lot of them think they know about ADHD anyway. But parents are buying it for the teachers, which is fabulous. Then my final book has just come out. When I say final, you know, is this is the third of seven. I've got seven that I want to write. This is the third one. So what I'm doing is I'm doing what the Australians have asked me to do. I'm coming to see you. I'm coming to Australia. I'm giving you plenty of notice. I'm coming in February and March 2025. I have a fabulous new American book publicist who is organizing all this. So I will be coming to, wait for it, Adelaide because I've had more requests from Adelaide than anywhere else, and Adelaide happens to be my favorite city in Australia.

I'm also going to Melbourne, because, again, love Melbourne, and it's close. Then to good old Sydney because one's got to go and see the Opera House again. And then I should be going up to the Gold Coast, not just to see Peter Andre who might be hanging around, but because I love the Gold Coast. So I'm going to all those four places in Australia. So if you happen to be in any of those places and you have a school, your kids are at school or university or college or even work, if you want somebody to come and do training, somebody to come and do a presentation, I'm coming because you've asked me. You've begged. I've had people begging for about four years now. So I thought, sod it. I'm getting old. I'm gonna come to Australia.

So February and March 2025, I will be down under. And if you want me to come and talk at your school or you've got teachers or you've got parents or you've got, employers or you've got anybody who doesn't understand about ADHD and you want me to come and do a short, a long, a medium presentation with question and answer sessions, I will be doing it. I'll also be doing book signings in lots of shops, there'll so be loads of books to buy. And I really look forward to seeing you down in Australia, as they say it, in February and March 2025. See.

There we go. We're back. Hello. Hi, guys. The that was wonderful. Thank you. Yeah. And I I cut you off.

That's okay. We have overrun on time.

So tell us quickly about Australia Okay. And what you're.

Well, I'm going to Australia in two months, as you probably just saw, largely because a lot of moms have asked me to. So a lot of moms who read my books, they say, if you think things are bad in The UK, Sarah, please god come to Australia. Now in Australia Obviously, we've got this as in partnership with ADHD Australia. Exactly. So they probably know what about hear them. So I've said I've been for for about four years, moms have been saying, please come to Australia. Please come and talk to our teachers. Please come and and it started off as a book tour, but it's actually turning out really to be a criminal justice system tour because we've had we've had Queensland police. We've had.

Melbourne police, we've had several police forces contact us and they're very, very interested in screening because obviously they've got the same problem here. We've also had people in America contact us, they've said it's gonna be a much more difficult job in America because we're much tougher on crime. However, in Australia, they're very interested in starting to screen. So I want to go and talk to as many probations, as many police forces, as many anybody who will talk to me about why this is critical and how it will change their entire criminal justice system. So I'm gonna be there for two months and I just welcome anybody to get in touch and please let me come and talk or give training presentations or q and a sessions, whatever. But.

Either teachers or the criminal justice system, that's what I'm going there to hopefully help the ADHD awareness along.

You're amazing. Look. And obviously, I've seen the passion with which you and the with which you talk. They'll you know, they know they're getting something very special if they if they get you in. So we've got a part company because out of time we were out of time a little while ago. But, hey, the you are an absolute force of nature. Like, you are creating change in an area of such importance. It's it is.

Revolutionizing So I care about them, Henry. I care about them. They're very they're top of my list offenders. People stuck in prison because of their undiagnosed ADHD. They're the very, very top of my list. And they're they're not top of many people's list, but they're top of mine. And I won't stop until they're all getting screened, assessed, diagnosed, and medicated in prison. Then I'll stop. But I won't stop till then. It's people getting the the support they should be getting. Again, when we're talking about trying to change relending rates, we don't understand what went wrong before.

And try you know, you have this sort of, you know, beacon of this is an intervention point that can make an enormous difference and just We're doing it.

We're proving it. We're proving with loads of police forces, probations. We're proving it. There's no question. Most defenders have got ADHD. There's no question. We've just got to sort that problem out now, which we are doing.

Right. You started this conversation by saying, come on, let's get on with this. I have a sunbed with my name on it that I need to go to. And a book to write.

More importantly, book to write about the amount of ADHD in prisons. That's what I'm doing now.

So we're gonna let you get back to both. Thank you for joining us. Obviously, thank you for your work. You're you are incredible.

What you're doing is something else and so important. I don't feel incredible. I just feel it's a big job. And, you know, if anybody's gonna change it, it's gonna be me because I care about them. And I will do. I will change this system. I will.

You you and I share the same that we're here to make a difference. Yeah. Totally. I will. And thank you so much for having me. No. Thank you for being a part of it. Like, you know, it's a big deal. Wonderful. And so right. We have to say goodbye. Goodbye today. Pleasure. Thank you so much. Bye. And that's the end of this segment. I'm gonna hand you over to the next one.