Right. Up next is the ADHD brain behind PerfectTed. Marisa Poster, the cofounder of PerfectTed. And we are very, very excited about it. So she has built one of The UK's fastest growing businesses. She cofounded PerfectTed at a kitchen table in London, teaching herself graphic design to create the brand. And today, PerfectTed is sold in tens of thousands of locations and in more than 50 countries. In March 2023, she walked on into the Dragons' Den on BBC One, and she walked out with offers from all five Dragons. She took investment from Steven Bartlett, who has invested since again. And the... Since then, she's been on Forbes 30, Under 30 in Europe. She's number one in the 2025.

FEBE Growth 100 as The UK's fastest growing founder led business. She was named Retail Disruptor of the Year in 2026 and a finalist in both Perfectly Close Bold Future Awards. And obviously, what we want to talk about today is her brain and how ADHD shapes the way she works, leads, and builds. And we have a clip to start off with from the first minute of our Dragons' Den pitch. So she opened with ADHD, which is extraordinarily... It's a big deal. Welcome.

Hi, Henry. How are you?

I'm I'm fantastic. We're into... I can't... I've actually forgotten which hour we're in.

Twenty five, I think? Twenty five hours.

I did say I think at around twenty three, this is where you start to watch me fall apart.

I'm very impressed.

It is a joy doing this, have to say. Like meeting and interviewing wonderful people, talking about what people are doing in making a change and it's a... It's it's a genuinely delight. That's enough about me. Let's talk about you. Because it's wonderful. That's a big deal. Right? We don't get very many people talking loudly about their ADHD and not particularly when they're vulnerable. Right? It's quite a different thing and actually people actually talk about, oh these celebrities coming back around ADHD, they're just getting on the bandwagon. I mean it ain't a great bandwagon. You just you just get attacked, you get told you're.

Wrong, you get told that, you know, it's it's not significant. And actually, reason you're coming out is brave because you're saying it is significant. This has impacted my life. It impacts other lives. And and I'm gonna talk about it. And that is brave doing it when you are... Have built your career and are in a position of security. It is quite something else to do it when you're not. And actually, something that people will recognize watching because it's... That's what they do when they go to their boss and say, you know what? I have ADHD and I I I I I need to do some things a little bit different. Yeah. But before that pitch, you'd kept... Actually, you'd kept your ADHD out of your Kickstarter video.

I did. Worried about it making you look less credible credible. Why did you... When you walked in for the BBC, why did you decide to do it then?

Yeah. Taking it back to 2020 when we first decided to actually launch business, the reason that we launched was because of exactly the story that you just played, the incredible experience that I had when switching to matcha. And... But as you also mentioned, I I felt that when we were launching the business, I was really worried about all of the the stigma attached to ADHD and other mental conditions. And I felt like I would be almost putting myself at a disadvantage from the very beginning because of what I had internalized about myself. And when you were young and told that you have something with the word deficient in it, you feel quite less than, and you're you're made to then feel like something is deficient within you. So.

I chose to omit that from Kickstarter because I really wasn't comfortable with myself. And I think by the time that we got onto Dragons' Den, we had only nine months of operating history, hilariously, but I still felt like just doing the thing and actually going into production and manufacturing of products that was really challenging to actually can, I felt like I had gained a little bit more confidence? And it was truly the most authentic story to be telling because that's the reason we started the brand. And so when we were considering the... What are the chances or what can we do to improve the outcome of going on Dragons' Den and getting a deal, we felt like the only way to be was honest. So there's really nothing like like choosing to.

Unmask on the BBC. Right?

I I hear you. I founded a charity. Like, I I... Once the charity is founded, I suddenly thought, you know what? I should probably call my parents. Yeah. Yeah. I should I should maybe tell them. It is. It's a big deal. And it actually talks to the stigma around ADHD. Like, when people talk about the damage from the label, almost all of it is because of the stigma. It's all external and having to deal with the attitudes of others.

It really does. And I I just... I feel like I I had to be perfect or perceived as perfect when we were first launching the business because people were already trying to poke holes in what we were doing. They thought matcha is this niche product that's never gonna take off, and I felt I was already working, you know, against this really strong current. And I thought this would just be another thing that people could kind of throw against us. But then by by the time... And it's funny, as I mentioned, still only nine months in, but I had felt like I had gained enough operational experience to say, I've had it really hard already. If I can do hard things, I can also share my story on on a national stage.

It's a big deal. It's vulnerable being a founder like you, particularly in the early days. You're always like, oh, they're gonna just bring bring in some professional boring person who just, like, you know, be reliable and get it out in a way that everyone is Expecting. Expecting. Yeah. Yeah. And and it it is a vulnerable place to to put yourself in. If you if you'll let us... Can we go back to the start? Absolutely. Yeah. So in York at school, like, what what are you like in school?

Yeah. It's so funny because when I look back, and I think we had previously spoken about this, Henry, but I actually was already seeing a therapist by the age of 12 on a weekly basis. And I I didn't know this until I was 16, but she basically was like, yeah. You you have ADHD. You have had ADHD. I just didn't really... We didn't put a name to it until I was 16. But I think it became very obvious in school because I felt very motivated in some areas of work, but there were others where I just felt, like, paralyzed. And I think it was like this feeling the paralysis was so debilitating that I thought I had... I thought I I... It was manifesting truly as as depression, and that's when we finally put a name to the diagnosis.

But in school, I was definitely the the type of person that hyperfixated in certain topics and then really did not do well in others. I remember English class was my least favorite class because of all the reading, and I I just felt that I read so much slower and I got bored. But other classes like music, I could spend five hours in the music department and taught myself how to read sheet music because I was so obsessed with it, taught myself how to use Photoshop when I was in, like, eighth grade or something crazy. So I just always took more to the arts and not so much to the to the heavy... The reading heavy classes. So... Yeah.

No. Thank you. And I think that challenge of... Yeah. You... As you're seeing a psychiatrist at 12, not not diagnosed until 16, I thought, crikey, when he said manifesting as depression, it's like, I mean, well obviously there's a fight for people getting diagnosis, and he's just like, we not, please? Like, could we maybe treat the know, family Underlying Exactly.

I can No. Because because that's what ends up happening if it go... And especially when you've considered that we've designed this world for every single person to live in the same type of brain. No one has the same brain. Right? So you you have to expect that when you have this... The education system... I mean, I have a lot of feelings around the education system and how it has not been designed for neurodivergent brains in mind, and you feel so broken. I felt like something was so wrong with me, and it was such a... That's why I had... I lacked so much confidence until, you know, maybe, like, five years ago when we started the business and only got into the swing of things.

And that's so that's so upsetting to think that kids can go through their entire childhood experience, like, feeling so... And and beyond. Adults too. Right? Can can go feeling so less than. It's terrible.

It is. Schools are unique in the respect that everyone has to go. Yeah. I know. Every single kind of brain has to go. And as an adult, you get to curate your own world more and steer yourself of things that, you know, play to your strengths. Yeah. But at school, you're you're you're put in this... Depending on the school system, you're put in this pipe and and it's very hard to be different and to learn differently. You can find yourself. Else is... You know, the aim of school is to be a leap... You know, a leaping off point to help you jump into the world. And I feel like some people get a leaping off point and some people get the sort of collapsing foam or whatever.

Like Oh my gosh. It was the exact opposite. And Absolutely. I mean changed my mind. She was terrible. I'm lucky that I had a dean of my school who I think just really appreciated me for my quirks, and he actually... He... I mean, I think this may have gone against school policy, but I I mean, I found a photo from the other day. I had 55 tardies in one semester. And when I say I was tardy, I was maybe five minutes late, but I've always struggled with time management. So, I mean Thank you for being here on time. Sorry? Thank you for being here on time.

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I now have systems in place that I've been able to build around me that help me with my time management, but it's still not perfect. But, yeah, I'm lucky that I had a dean who just acknowledged that I had other strengths and didn't necessarily need to give me detention every time I was late.

Yeah. It's... And... Yeah. I know you've... We've seen in various papers in... That we're having some schools which are being very, very regimented in their approach and.

How that for some, you know, is a massive problem. It's so hard, though. I mean, you genuinely experience time differently.

Well, it's... Yeah. I... Yeah. Well, I mean, you get 40... We're 40... Well, the analogy I use is we've got 40 focus, and we get lost in things, and therefore Mhmm. We find ourselves late. Yeah. Why so many of the sort of ideas are, you know, why didn't you set your alarm earlier? And like, well, now instead of ten minutes, get lost in something, now be like, I've got 20. Yeah. Yeah. Anything has made this problem worse. Yeah. You talked to... You said your psychiatrist compared ADHD medication to wearing glasses. Mhmm. How did that change the way you felt about it, and how do you see medication now?

Yeah. I think medication is so important and should be used if people feel they can benefit from it. So at the time, I was really reluctant to try it because I felt like I felt like I not was cheating, but I felt like... I was like, I don't want to change. I I I was firstly worried about feeling like it was gonna alter my brain, but, also, I felt like it was cheating in a way because I had heard, you know, when you're in high school, you hear about people taking Ritalin or Adderall for performance and... Performance enhancing.

Drugs. Right? That's what they're called. But, really, the... When she described it to me as if you're sitting in the back of the classroom and you have terrible eyesight, so the board is just so blurry, wouldn't you say you're not performance enhancing? You're actually just coming back to equilibrium. And that's the... That's what glasses do. They allow you to see properly. So that analogy kind of shifted everything for me, and I encourage... Obviously, medication is is highly personal. And... But when people ask me if they should or shouldn't take it, I say, you need to do what is best for you. If that involves trying something, you know, these these drugs won't...

They they they won't probably... If you're experiencing a lot of harm to yourself without medication, I would definitely recommend trying it, and you can always find kind of what works for you. But.

Yeah. And we... When we look at the data, and I I... You know, we know that because medication is an important topic, but it's important also because one of the reasons for an assessment is that it allows that option. Exactly.... From the data, it's around eighty percent of people find a positive impact. And also, looks looks like long term. It's around fifty fifty. Fifty percent of medication, fifty percent. And I love that statistic for telling people that each path is equally well trod. Oh, yeah. And for them to to to look at. Matcha as start as your coping tool at university after a friend found you face down on the library desk, after Red Bull monsters and espressos. When did it stop just being a drink and become a business?

Yeah. When, when I moved to The United Kingdom six years ago. So it it really had a profound difference on the way I felt. And because I I think it's because I've probably been in therapy since I'm so young, I feel like I can... I'm very intuitive with myself, and I I can feel... I'm very observant of my own emotions and what I'm thinking, and, you know, that also is in part aided by my meditation practice, which is really hard to do with ADHD, but I try my very best. I just fell in love with it, and I was working in real estate private equity in New York drinking matcha every day, of course. And then, COVID hit. I found myself working from home, living with my grandparents in New York City, and.

Separated from my long distance boyfriend at the time who is now my husband and my cofounder. And I kind of just said life is so short. COVID was happening, and people were dying, and it was a terrible time, very scary. And I kind of thought if I'm ever gonna make a a change in my life, I'm I'm young. I might as well do it now. So I picked up, and I moved to London.

And when I moved here, I obviously brought my matcha with me because you're not gonna... That's green gold. You're not gonna throw that stuff out if you're, moving across the world. So I brought it with. And then when I ran out, I remember going to the supermarket to find... I think I probably went to, like, Tesco or Sainsbury's to try to buy a refill. Right? Couldn't find it. Then we would go around to different cafes, and every time I would order a matcha, they'd be like, what is that? What do you mean? So it was very clear that there was very little matcha to be found. And then when I was successful in finding it, it was either really bitter and low quality, or it was, like, £60 for a 30 gram tin.

And to just give you a reference point, we sell that equivalent amount for $10.10 dollars or £10 rather. So it was just very clear that there was a real need for it. And because I, am rather impulsive at times and impatient, we founded the business within forty five days of me moving to London.

Wow. Yeah. Amazing. And... But it's solid. Right? Like I say, you've got a product, you know it sells, and it's absent here. It's a You see a market opportunity. You use Kickstarter, which is a... Like, it's a great solution. One of things you do with it is you say to people, look, we're gonna launch this. We need this much money to launch it. Mhmm. You set up your manufacturing and, you know, they order, get to the order quantity or the... Your level and boom. You've created a business and, you know, for anyone considering breaking this, that's a... It's a great way to do it. Mhmm. You got... You are... There were problems because you Mhmm. Had it all set up. You pre... And you pre sold 10,000 of the matcha lattes on Kickstarter.

And then the manufacturer dropped you. And Yep. They drop you for a bigger brand. What does what does an ADHD brain do? What do you do when that happened?

This is where my nonlinear thinking becomes very much in handy. So I I feel like there are definitely times when I... Like, I'm definitely the type of person my brain... I become very wedded to an idea and, like, obsessed with it. So then if something shifts at the very last minute, I become a little bit, like, frantic. But then I also have this ability to, like, just get into problem solving mode. And I start thinking a little bit more tangentially around, well, how do I consume my matcha? Like, what are the other ways in which I'm drinking matcha, and why am I drinking the matcha? And really coming back to the why around, well, I'm doing it for the energy benefits and because it's like a gentler source of caffeine for me.

And so we thought, well, what are some of the other ways that people consume energy energy drinks? And how do I also drink matcha at home? Oh, I'll have it with lemon. I'll have it with a little... I'll make a little spritz. Right? So we thought that is a perfect format to put it in and mobilize very quickly. So we were able to kind of turn it around within four months of the manufacturer pulling out, which was very fast, but we did it. And it was hectic and, overwhelming, but alas.

Dragons' Den Mhmm. Took you from 9,000 a month to about 40,000.

400.

Oh, sorry. You're completely correct. Yeah. Just read my note. That's like...... The 400,000 a month. Yeah. What was that like?

So overwhelming. It's so funny because, like, I I feel like I've been I've been able to start dealing with it better just based on experience, and I think that, dealing with chaos is very much like a muscle that you have to build the reps in. And I was so overwhelmed. Like, I remember there were days when I just, like, could not get out of bed, but I I think it was because there was such a rush and, like, this massive dopamine hit. And I was like, oh my god. Oh my god. This is amazing. And then there was all the fear and pressure that comes along with fulfilling that. So we got all these orders, but then, you know, we were we were in the warehouse trying to to fill it. And it was it was weird because I felt like really immediately.

There was such a shift in the performance of the business that my brain wasn't able to, like, close that gap as quickly as the business had changed. And that was probably the most challenging part.

This... No. I can see how that's a a huge challenge, and obviously, it's one that you've risen to. The session is called the ADHD brain behind PerfectTed. Mhmm. Would we find your... Where do... Where would we see your ADHD showing up in the business that that people would never guess?

Oh my god. Like, the fact that we effectively have more craft tools in this office than a hobby craft or a Ryman put together. I've probably bought, like, every contraption known to man to to man, but I also think it comes back to the fact that my ADHD, I think, is is partially responsible for how creative I am as a person. And I'm also, again, impatient, so I wanna be able to execute on my vision very quickly. And so we have a Cricut machine. If you don't know what a Cricut is, it cuts vinyls. It cuts heat transfer vinyls. There's there's a lot you can do with it. It cuts papers, and then we have I have no reason to have one, but they look great. They're amazing. They're unbelievable. We have embroidery machines.

I bought a printer that is the size of a tanning bed. Like, there's just... There is so... There are a lot of, tools and contraptions in the office for sure that have definitely been inspired by my ADHD to just be like, let's try that. Let's try that. I wanna try that. Let's do that. But I also think it has inspired this, like, willingness to just try things, And so people don't feel as nervous to just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. So I think that's one of the benefits. That's definitely one very obvious physical manifestation. Another physical manifestation is the type of seating that you'll find and the actual way that our office is organized. So we have, like, 14 different meeting rooms, but meeting.

Rooms are great when you're having a meeting, but I need... Sometimes I need to play the loudest music I I have on me. And other times I need to, like, lock myself in, like, a sensory deprivation chamber to actually really focus. So we have we have loads of focus booths. We have couches, breakout rooms, and then we also have chairs that are called... I forgot what they're actually called. I think it's a saddle chair, but it helps me rock back and forth. I can also move my legs around. Like, everyone gets standing desks. Everyone gets noise canceling headphones because I know that that can really help people who are easily distracted like myself. So it's really helped.

Helped inform the design of the office. And then in in terms of my management style, oh my god. So much. Like, it has changed absolutely everything for me. Firstly, I encourage everyone to share how, they best work. So for instance, because I know my... Myself so well, I will tell people whilst we're in a meeting, hey. By the way, if I'm... If I look like I'm doing something on my laptop while you're speaking, it's actually because just trying to listen to you, and this isn't in a rude way, but just trying to focus on you speaking.

Is is actually harder for me to do than stimulating myself with other things as well. So I'm not being rude. I'm just doing what works best for me. And they're like, oh, great. And it's act... I found that actually setting that expectation is so helpful because then people, like, don't think I'm being rude or a mean person. They just are like, oh, you know, her brain works different. That's fine. So everyone is encouraged to advocate for themselves. And then I also try to be an advocate for others. Like, we had this interview once with a candidate who has now become one of our best hires. And I remember my cofounders said we should not hire him. And I said, why? He didn't say he had ADHD during the interview.

And I said, I bet you he has ADHD, and he was just very excited to get his point across. And and he wasn't interrupting to be rude, but his brain was was, like, working too quickly. And you shouldn't actually, you shouldn't, you know, disqualify him because he actually has a faster brain. Like, that's a good thing. Right? So I gave him a call afterwards, and we chatted about it. And my my, my suspicion was confirmed. And had I not said something to my cofounders, imagine having lost out on that magnificent hire. So think it's like teaching everyone around me as well that brains are brains are all different, and that can manifest very differently in how people actually, like, communicate. And that's okay.

You have everyone at PerfectTed fill in a work... Ways of working document. Yes. We do. A part of it. What does yours say? What would it say?

My... Well, mine mine says what I just shared about needing to do multiple things kind of at once to keep myself, like, focused. Mine also says that I I have a lot of ideas, and I can be very sporadic with them, but that I can also, I can also be very... Like, I can also be reined in, so to speak, to, like, hyper, you know, focus on something and execute when needed, And that I am definitely a night person. I'm a night owl for sure.

Oh, well, thank you for sharing. You've... You you said you're a bad texter and a bad email. Mhmm. But you've redesigned your own job around it. Mhmm. How did you get from feeling bad to going, I'm gonna own this? Mhmm.

Yeah. It's so funny because in the early days of the business, I would compare myself to my cofounder, who's my brother-in-law and one of my best friends. And we were working together day and night. My my husband, who's our third cofounder, he wasn't full time yet with the business, so it was just really just the two of us, Teddie and I. And Teddie is, more neurotypical, I guess, and never struggles with it. Like, he doesn't ever overthink. He doesn't ever, you know, struggle to find words. I find that I'm constantly grasping at air, and I'm struggling to actually articulate what I'm thinking. And so it makes then putting that onto paper very challenging.

And I think the the nature of having a phone and and email inbox is you have no boundaries. People can contact you whenever they want. It's not on your terms. And so I felt really badly because I was like, well, I'm not getting back to them in a timely manner because they messaged me a day ago, but who's to say that them messaging me a day ago was okay? So, firstly, I was very intentional with where I sit in the business. I'm not in a customer facing role. I think it would be really challenging to be me and to be needing to respond to customers all day because I would just find it too overwhelming, and I can't task switch that easily. So I'm in more of an internal facing role. And.

And then I made a case to bring someone in to our team who has helped with a little bit of the burden of that. But I've also now with AI. I think AI, people can say what they want about it. But I think for people with ADHD and any sort of other neurodivergence, I think AI is unbelievable because the systems that you can create and the way that AI can adopt your voice and it can help auto draft, it just removes that barrier and the almost the anticipatory anxiety that you have ahead of answering anything or writing anything. So I think it's it's a superpower now to have that with you. When I was first introduced to... I, this a.

.. Now must be a couple of years ago talking about AI. I said AI has the potential to be... To ADHD, what spell check and grammar check was for people with dyslexia. Like, I just think it's... Oh my god. Yes. And now, obviously, we're seeing these... The movement of frontier models. I... It is extraordinary, and I... I'm genuinely enjoying it. I worry, obviously, what the end consequent... Well, like, where we end up with Yeah. For the moment. So it's most extraordinary.

1000%.

You've, yeah, as anyone who's got a reply from me saying Henry plus AI will know. I love it. You've spoken openly about your hardest day at PerfectTed. The business the business was flying. It was an exciting event, but you couldn't get out of bed. Why, you know, why can it hit hardest when everything looks good on paper?

Yeah. I feel like there there are a few reasons. Well, one, I think when you're pushing so hard every single day and you almost... It's just exhausting. You exhaust yourself. So you you end up literally having, like, zero energy to actually get out of bed and continue on like you normally would. So, and, also, I I was clinically depressed at the time. So there was that element as well, but I think it was because I was dealing with I was dealing with the demands on me that ADHD was honestly making much harder. It was making it much harder for me to show up as my best self, and I think the judgment I felt from others.

As what was not making it any easier, to be honest. And when I say that, I think it's been a very big journey, especially in The United Kingdom, almost having to convince the people around you that that you're not making things up or you're not making an excuse for yourself. You just work... You just are different, and you work differently, and that's okay. So I felt like the constant need to be an apologist was, like, was was probably just too exhausting at the time. And now I feel totally inhibited. I I mean, I'm so grateful for for having hit that low, but I think in coming out of that season of life, I was able to kind of take charge of who I am with all my nuances.

And all my my quirks and the way that my brain works and just be like, hell yeah. This is this is who I am. And I I may be different, but I don't care, and I actually prefer it. So I think it's about, like, taking control of the narrative and feeling less sorry and more like, well, this is me. Take it or leave it. You know?

And and so... And talking of taking control of the narrative of being you, you tell your team whether you're 80% today or 50%, what does that sound like on a Monday morning, and and has this strategy ever backfired? Yeah.

Yeah. It's interesting because I think we have been very lucky to find people who are super motivated by the mission that we're on to make matcha accessible to everyone, to make it as ubiquitous as coffee, and our team are are phenomenal. But I think maybe sometimes my compassion for others and my ability to kind of empathize with people's situations because I... If if someone's experiencing something relating to mental health, like, I probably have been there. So it does make it a challenge sometimes for me because then I'm like, well, I become the defender of of this person. But if it eventually becomes to to the extent that it's really negatively impacting others around them, we'll try to do coaching.

And I'm I'm very grateful that we have been able to offer resource... Like, mental health resources to our team, but it definitely has backfired sometimes. I would never say that it's been catastrophic. I actually think I think that most of the time, it's actually a good thing because it just reminds everyone of their humanity, and we're not just cogs in a machine. We're we're people. And people have good days, and people have bad days. And when you're especially working in an office with people five days a week, you're gonna see that, and you're gonna feel that. So I think it's not a bad thing when it can serve as a helpful reminder of the fact that we're all human.

You... There's a note from you on the side of Everykin.

Yes.

And it tells people you have ADHD. Mhmm.

It does.

What do people write back?

It's so it's so amazing because I I don't see it all the time, but I will get messages from time to time from people who say thank you for sharing your story because... And I didn't even know that the founder of this brand had ADHD until I just turned the can one day. And my son has ADHD or my daughter has ADHD or I was just diagnosed with ADHD. Like, the number of people that have shared that it has helped them feel seen makes it all all worthwhile. Because I think when you feel... You feel very isolated when when you think something is, like, wrong or different with you. But, actually, it... It's so much more common than I think people expect, and putting it out there just makes everyone feel less alone. So.

I just get very supportive messages saying thank you.

It it is a big deal. Like, ADHD is not talked about, like, in in many, you know, areas and being a... Being seen and being out is a is a big deal in in matters. It allows people... And it's, like if you're a younger person, like, it allows you to go, it can be okay. Mhmm. But this is like... And and that's... It is an inspiration. That's... And that... It's it's very, important. And so thank you for doing that.

There were times in my life when I genuinely thought I would... I wouldn't be able I wouldn't be able to amount to anything. Not that I couldn't, but that my my intrinsic ability would stop me. And so to show people... Because I have ADHD, because my brain works different. And so to show people that, no. You can build the fastest growing retail business in The United Kingdom with an ADHD brain. And, actually, I would say I've done it because of, not in spite of. Right? It's it's the reason why I think we've been so successful, not not in spite of it. So I I want to show everyone that regardless of what is happening to them in their lives and regardless of the of the obstacles that may have been thrown their way, that they can genuinely.

Create the world that they wanna live in and and see it through. So I I... I'm glad it can be an, you know, an inspiring story to people.

Oh, well, thank you. And you're obviously putting yourself out there to do that, so it's a wonderful wonderful thing. Thank you. We have to get to our last question. Just sad. Aw.

I went by so quickly.

You've said you'd tell your younger self to keep going and be kind to yourself. Mhmm. What would you say to a 16 year old girl watching today who's just been diagnosed?

I would tell that 16 year old girl that I I genuinely believe she can do anything that she puts her mind to and to not believe anything what what people tell her. Just the power of self belief can be so strong. Just keep leaning into that because you were put here for a reason, and you can genuinely run through walls. Like, our our mentor and investor investor Steven Bartlett, who also has ADHD, by the way, he talks about this concept of paper walls and how society has constructed so many, you know, boundaries, and, there are just these societal constructs that people tell you about that, no. You can't do this. You can't do that, and they put you in your box. But he refers to them as paper walls because.

You can just run through them and rip them down. So run through those walls.

That's brilliant. That's an amazing, yeah, inspirational matcha into... I absolutely love it. Thank you. Of course. You are you are extraordinary. You're what... Like, I... You know, obviously, briefing and learning about you as I did just to prepare for this. It's... The more I learned about you, the more I was just like, this is such an extraordinary person.

Oh, thank you. Well...

Yeah. Yeah.

Have to say goodbye. It's... Aw. We to stick to stuff. Well, this was lovely. It was great to chat with you, Henry, but I think what you're doing is amazing, and we need to we need to speak more about ADHD. I'm I'm trying to be as open as humanly possible. So if anyone would like to chat with me, please feel free to reach out on LinkedIn, Instagram, email. I will... I can't tell you when I'll get back to you, but I will get back to you.

Well done. Okay. I'm gonna give you a little thank you to say thank you. Thank you. As you know, we have Aw. Thank you. Aw.

And thank you for also being an ADHD inspiration, and thank you for for doing this.

Well, thank you. Honestly, you. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you very much for being part of the the LadyHD Conference. You are an absolute inspiration, and thank you, Marisa. Thank you. Goodbye. You so much, Henry. Bye. Thanks. She's extraordinary. And what she's built is extraordinary and her openness and talking about ADHD being a strength in it is an inspiration to us all. And very grateful for giving her time and thank you.